Comments on: Pastor ambushes Goh Chok Tong with demand to defend 377A

By: FT

FT — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:38:49 +0000

I am not sure if this guy is for real. He was a corporal at 22 SAB camp at Taman Jurong back in 1972 I think. Now suddenly I read about him being a pastor leading a Christian congregation and advocating morals and values. I normally think of a God fearing man as living humbly with a deep sense of humility, etc. But this pastor seems to lead a high life by ordinary standards. He plays polo…wow! As we all know, not many can even indulge in the idea, much less do so. Only the rich and famous can afford, such as the Sultan of Brunei. If being a pastor leading a Christian congregation can provide such means, we might as well call it a day and change our profession. By the way, I also hear he is a magician. Perhaps that explains it. But then magicians would not need to work their a…. out on stage if they can make magic like walla… and money pops out from thin air!!!

By: Fox

Fox — Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:50:02 +0000

The sad fact is the bible itself is not particular supportive of ‘strong families’. There is no intrinsic value in having a strong family, from a Christian perspective. I’ve challenged the FCBC members on facebook to quote bible verses supporting this notion of ‘strong families are good for the nation’.

By: WM

WM — Sat, 26 Jan 2013 08:31:05 +0000

Have seen children suffered in so called real family unit, father , mother and children when fights and divorces arose.I have also seen children growing well-adjusted in families where one spouse ( be it father or mother )or grandparents took over the responsibilities .That is because the person looking after the child is able to provide love , support and nurturing to the child.What I am trying to say is we should not judge or impose our beliefs on others. There are always exceptions to what is so called one’s ” belief” of what constitutes a family unit .. What we should advocate is acceptance ,compassion and love for all, no matter how different they are from us as long as they are not doing harm to others. What if one day someone very close to Pastor Khong is gay. Will he discriminate or reject the person close to him?

By: R

Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:46:23 +0000

“The stubbornness of certain Christian groups is beyond my comprehension.”

Actually, there’s nothing mind-boggling about this because Christianity is a monotheistic religion. Adherents of monotheistic religions tend to be more extreme in their beliefs than their polytheistic counterparts. The belief in one God can be a dangerous thing. For it means that there’s only one way and no other way.

“They narrowly defined love as “proper” family unit comprising the father, mother and child. Any formulation outside their ideal family unit, is neither respectable nor deserving of love.”

I don’t think Khong and other Christians who share similar views see all types of non-traditional families as equally aberrant. At the heart of this talk about the traditional family unit, is nothing more than a censure of homosexuality.

By: walkie talkie

walkie talkie — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:54:19 +0000

Khong and pastors with similar thinking as him should understand that in our multi-religious society, there are religions that hold views opposite to his. Khong’s attitude is so different from the three Buddhist monks featured in http://dareyoutothinkagain.blogspot.sg/

By: yawningbread

yawningbread — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:09:11 +0000

Women also buy into male superiority. Plenty of examples in history where the subjugated accept their place and defend their subjugators.

By: R

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:44:34 +0000

“Yet, the rhetoric never specifies — or if it tries to, does not provide any scientific support for its claims — what those essential characteristics are that cannot be found in the opposite sex.”

The suggestion that a lack of scientific evidence to show that there are fundamental differences between a man and a woman means that there are no differences is Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. The lack of evidence to support an idea doesn’t automatically disprove it.

By: Hamster

Hamster — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:23:06 +0000

Sorry I’m not one to “imagine” abt morals. Im not the one who created it or imagined it… I just know they are there to protect us from each other – be it gay or non-gay or what have u. It still applies to some extent.. cos many gays championing for their causes also seek to have the same principles and morals of a monogamous relationship and acquire a “normal” family. If its simply no holds barred.. Then why bother?

So in the same we shld not witch hunt others for being “different”, the “different” shld not condemn ALL people who live by certain principles or morals vice versa.

And please do not narrow the context of love to simply sexual pleasure (as u inferred: people who love each other being kept apart based on the shape of their genitals). I can love my son and I can love my brother.. Tat is the importance of love. Even between gay couples I’m sure the love is beyond just a physical act.

Don’t cheapen it or corrupt it and don’t draw the line so clearly only when it benefits u. We all need society’s acceptance whether u like it or not.

By: Practicing

Practicing — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 07:24:01 +0000

Hi Alex,
Actually, what Mr Goh C T said is very biblical. Had this church Pastor been reading his bible, he would not have pleaded with a ‘man’ to keep Section 377A of the Penal Code.

A true ‘Born Again Christian’ is not supposed to meddle in the policy of the country when they are not in authority. A Christian’s belief is to trust in God for all things and to render to Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things which are God’s.

This pastor should just go into ‘fasting and praying’ privately, instead of trapping a former Prime Minister with this sort of request, just to show off to the congregation.
2000 years ago the Pharisee did that to Jesus, now this is happening in this country. (of course, GCT is not…)

By: S

Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:28:38 +0000

Nitpicking I know, but I actually did mean ‘amoral’ (ie rejecting the existence of morality at all) as opposed to ‘immoral’ (acting contrary to a particular system of morality). I think the word choice is important because so many anti-gay types, such as our friend above, seem to imagine that the only alternative to their particular heterosexist ethical system is nihilistic chaos. In fact the alternative is simply a different system of morality, one which values love between people as opposed to the ‘complementarity’ of their genitals.